R Hm
F When I start, I
have – I have a musical phrase, and then.. That phrase, it would go somewhere
naturally in pop music or in… and then I’m like, “Where can I go from there...”
R It’s an effort to
avoid what…
F “…that wouldn’t be
that?”, because it bothers me, that music bothers me, it’s beautiful and it
makes you cry but it’s not interesting
R It’s a very common
road to, um… take, so um if you want to branch off you have to um…
F If you want other
colors… I think that the…
R I like it, I like
the common flow of music, but my game is more about creating breaches, meaning
to interrupt the flow, and to find out what will happen in the breach, in the
pause, that’s where, that’s where it all becomes interesting…
F Yeah
R So there’s always
something that, that is quite organic, that belongs to your own clichés, to
what you’ve always heard which is the common language when you start
improvising, and all of a sudden, you just stop! And from there, you do the
first thing that jumps into your mind, which is
F Pbläh!
R And then you
respond to something else
F Huhu! Yeah, it feels
good to put in a cliché or two sometimes. Or even
R Well…
F The suggestion of a
cliché, half a cliché or…
R That’s it. Because
that’s what it is, you want, it’s like poetry, it’s, you can always write Letterist poetry, but there’s just nobody who’s into that! It’s better to write poems
that are…
F What are Letterist
poems?
R It’s um… with
invented words, like Claude Gauvreau’s
F Oh yeah, Ursonate is so cool!
R Yeah, yeah, but I
mean if you make, but the second page from Ursonate,
the third page from Ursonate, the
second page from Ursonate is, well…
R Hahahaha
F What was DEUX
COUPS, was it played with dice?
R No. Before the dice
game came along, I put together simple concepts for, for games. Meaning that I
got into something that is not all that common in occidental music, but that
exists in aboriginal music, this idea of musical games.
F Wait a second…
R For instance, DEUX
COUPS is very much inspired by Inuit singing
F Aaaaaaaaah…
R It’s also inspired
by ping-pong. How do you introduce a, if you don’t have harmonies or melodies
of things like that how will you create a wait, a suspense, a tension, an
interest for um, for um music well I thought about sports, and DEUX COUPS is a
sport
F Wow, I just read... You know, in my, my 499 class, it's on, on contingency, so dice games, and... and I read a paper on improvisation (*it's Edgar Landgraf's "Improvisation: Form and Event. A Spencer-Brownian Calculation" in Emergence and Embodiment: New Essays on Second-Order Systems Theory, 2009, esp. p. 191), the second reading we... um, read which likened improvisation to sport. Which drew a really really neat and precise parallel between improvisation and sports it,s really um, you have a frame, and then you allow things to develop...
R Well, hockey is, improv and hockey are pretty similar I find, except that hockey players have to score goals, in improv, there's no real goal to score, there's just a structure, but it's because it creates a minimum of tension and interest if you are aware of the rules, anyway it's the same thing for hockey, if you don't know the rules, you look at it and wha, they're nuts...
F Same thing for improv, if you don't get it, you're...
R If you don't know what they're doing, you, you, because the result, the result comes second in the end, it's really the, it's really how musicians situate themselves, what rapport they establish, how they use the material, what strategies they employ to get ahead, or accompany, etc... so there's an entire, an entire play there that is really fun to unravel...
F Wow, I just read... You know, in my, my 499 class, it's on, on contingency, so dice games, and... and I read a paper on improvisation (*it's Edgar Landgraf's "Improvisation: Form and Event. A Spencer-Brownian Calculation" in Emergence and Embodiment: New Essays on Second-Order Systems Theory, 2009, esp. p. 191), the second reading we... um, read which likened improvisation to sport. Which drew a really really neat and precise parallel between improvisation and sports it,s really um, you have a frame, and then you allow things to develop...
R Well, hockey is, improv and hockey are pretty similar I find, except that hockey players have to score goals, in improv, there's no real goal to score, there's just a structure, but it's because it creates a minimum of tension and interest if you are aware of the rules, anyway it's the same thing for hockey, if you don't know the rules, you look at it and wha, they're nuts...
F Same thing for improv, if you don't get it, you're...
R If you don't know what they're doing, you, you, because the result, the result comes second in the end, it's really the, it's really how musicians situate themselves, what rapport they establish, how they use the material, what strategies they employ to get ahead, or accompany, etc... so there's an entire, an entire play there that is really fun to unravel...
